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Post by CoachJoe on Feb 27, 2009 19:05:20 GMT -5
What are some effective route combinations vs. Quarters using pattern reads? Do the same routes that work vs. Cover 2 generally work vs. anything with 2 high safeties?
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Post by coachhez on Mar 2, 2009 9:49:32 GMT -5
1. One way to attack the quarters covers is to run a post with #1 and a vertical or flag with #2. The Post is extremely difficult to cover by the corner no matter what the coverage is. If you send #2 vertical than that forces the safety to stay over top of that route while the post opens in the MOF.
2. You could run a vertical route with #2 and run a curl with #1, this doesnt allow the safety to rob the deep curl route.
3. Another thought is to run to vertical routes to one side clearing everyone out, and run a crossing route (deep preferably) from the backside underneath everything.
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Post by CoachJoe on Mar 2, 2009 11:13:53 GMT -5
1. I think keeping that post flatter would help, let it run into a hole between the OLB and Mike (or play action the Mike out of there)
2. Like a smash route? Depending on how deep you run that curl, and how well its thrown, the OLB is going to be getting underneath it.
3. A shallow crosser is going to get abused by the Mike and the backside OLB, who's job is to wall any crosser. If you make it deeper, like a dig or hunt (12-15?), then... well, there's no purpose in running out the frontside receivers, that route should never get there. Should hit a hole in the zone. It has to be run deep enough to get over the LBs
You are right that by running the #2 vertical you get the Safety out helping to rob the curl/flat area. But with 2 receivers removed, for us, the safety becomes deep half. The corner is responsible for that curl/flat and is up tighter to the #1. The curl still works, but its not a soft coverage that you might get with the TE running a vertical and holding the Safety's attention.
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Post by coachhez on Mar 2, 2009 14:46:11 GMT -5
1. Then arent you talking about slant?
Would throwing a swing or bubble route to pull #3 out help with curl and the shallow crosser?
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Post by CoachJoe on Mar 2, 2009 16:56:47 GMT -5
1. Then arent you talking about slant? Would throwing a swing or bubble route to pull #3 out help with curl and the shallow crosser? I think this is what you're talking about  and the flatter post would look like this  Normally you'd run that flat post against 1-high safety, but I think against Quarters if the Safety and Corner are able to pass those off, the flat post would let you hit the hole. The bubble would widen the backer, but he should still be underneath the comeback or even flag (somewhat) because we use a 5 yard no-cover zone. The post could break flatter then run deeper like a climb route, but I think this will come open sooner. |
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Post by coachhez on Mar 2, 2009 17:08:42 GMT -5
Good thoughts. Something to think about though. Can you not create stress on the quarters concept by aligning in 3 x 1 sets. Would this now force a roll by the safeties and a loosening of the corner is now essentially 1 v 1 on the 1 splilt side.  If you can do that you now have two options. Either double verticals on with a deep in or cross route on the 3 rec. side. Or if you get the loosened coverage by the corner, you now can attack the 1 rec side (assuming the OLB doesnt widen) with hitches and slants all day. (I tried to put in a image, dont know if worked). |
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Post by CoachJoe on Mar 2, 2009 19:57:27 GMT -5
From the trips you can hit the single receiver all day. Hold the Will with some token Playaction. The trips side backer is probably walling #2, the Mike backer is walling #3. The Safeties will roll and play a 1/4,1/4,1/2 concept though really man on the single. Bring #2 on a slant or a hook aiming straight at the Sam and bubble #3 for one of those sweet illegal picks that offenses like so much. Run the #1 vertical to clear out the corner.
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Post by tedseay on Jun 2, 2009 9:54:13 GMT -5
What are some effective route combinations vs. Quarters using pattern reads? Do the same routes that work vs. Cover 2 generally work vs. anything with 2 high safeties? Coach: My "targets of opportunity" versus C4 tend to be these: 1) The flats -- make Sam (in particular) prove he can cover all the ground needed to protect against the quick pass to the strong flat; 2) Play-action -- target the safeties once they are involved in run fits. If you see them flat-footed and reading the end man on the O-line, fake your best run play and go after them; and 3) Motion to trips, especially Bunched trips, to force the defense to prove two things: that they have the numbers to stop you on the 3 receiver side, and the talent to shut down your best receiver all the way on the other side of the field. |
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